Great Interview on Self-deception

I heard a particularly good interview with Carol Tavris on the new podcast For Good Reason with DJ Grothe. She talks about how cognitive biases and self-deception affect our lives. I bought her book Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) after hearing a previous interview but haven't gotten a chance to read it yet. Incidentally, DJ Grothe who I think is an excellent radio host who used to host Point of Inquiry now hosts For Good Reason since becoming president of JREF.